In the last month or so I have had a few conversations with fish biologists, proper ecologist, evolutionary biologist, physiologist type people. In the banter about this and that a question was asked by one of them which took me back a little.
I started this blog as a means of disciplining myself. While whips and chains might come to some of your twisted minds I really mean that the diaries I kept and the thoughts I was thinking were scraps, incoherent babbling, lines of rambling that meandered much without coming to any sort of point or logical conclusion. This is in my nature; confusion, prevarication and missing deadlines are my soul mates. A blog I thought after a little prompting from Mike would be a way of disciplining myself to form an argument, summarise a thought process, post it and then not be able to fiddle with it again. It sits there as a malevolent summary of a distended brain, smirking at me as if saying “you thought what!” Which is fine because the other aspect of writing a blog is that there is nothing wrong with posting on the topic again somewhere down the line and contradicting or completely dismantling ones original post. And I rather like that. A long extended conversation with self (and perhaps whatever deranged commentators drop by to read the drivel) until an idea has been talked, or written into submission.
Although I toy with thoughts about experimentally testing some of these ideas I can’t really say that I have taken that process seriously. I have never sorted a protocol, evaluated what control lines would be needed, decided on the specific trait to be tested. This is for two reasons. One is that anything that actually involves fishing is anathema to a good scientific conduct. For a start the fisherman is a fidgeting mass of contradictions, personal quirks and epileptic mental and physical twitches. To use more than one of this species would be asking for trouble as the tester would have to be controlled for as much as, if not more, than the tested. The second reason is that I never really thought I would get a chance. I work in completely other systems and while a lot of the stuff I do has a behavioural component it couldn’t be said to be close to the way of a trout with a fly.
That is until I was the asked that simple question.
“What experiments would you like to see done?”
“Eh?”
“Well there are some students who are keen to run things and we could possibly rustle up a bit of seed funding if there is some academic rigour attached. The facilities are there so what would you do?”
“You mean seriously or are you just pulling my dangly bits?”
“No, no, seriously.”
“Well, err……”
I’m so articulate when put on the spot. Hey ho.
To dodge the bullet, or at least let it bounce of me like some disgustingly atrophied superhero, I wonder what you, reader, might want to know about trout? If there were a fishing conundrum that had elements of trout biology to it that could be addressed experimentally - what would it be? As you may have seen from this blog one of the main things I have been into over the last year and some is thoughts on learning, discrimination and selectivity. There are an armada of questions that might be addressed; do trout learn (well that’s easy – yes), how quick, how is this modified in different contexts, what is more important, shape, size or colour, can they learn from each other, and on and on – and one is only limited by the parameters defined by trout and fishing, a fairly broad set of conditions. Experimentally one may have to address the question obliquely and attempt not to lose the conclusions direct implications for fishing to an over abstracted methodology. Nevertheless that shouldn’t stop the questions being posed, because we can worry about the tractability of the question in an experimental context later
There is another aspect that is worth pointing out. I wonder whether fishermen would want answers to some of the questions we pose about our sport? Would it take away all that bankside banter, all that stuff, as Keith once said “worthy of a couple of fellows sitting in the shade during the afternoon lull talking about the really important stuff...” I wrote a little about this before and it is worth mentioning Einstein. The physicist said once “the process of scientific discovery is, in effect, a continual flight from wonder.” It is the “…from wonder” bit that is telling. The active preposition implies movement away from a state of wonder to something else, something perhaps less, more mundane. One could consider that discovery kills wonder as Keats did, not a particularly uplifting thought. On the other hand one can consider the wonder in the discovery, the marvel of how it all works. I prefer the discovery and do continually marvel at the way in which organisms have evolved strategies to get them through life. Nevertheless I understand that there are those out there who love the wonder of the unknown, like to savour the moment of happening and feel whatever magic they have experienced tarnished by any inquisition into the what, where and how. Perhaps fishermen don’t want to know that a trout discriminates better to colour rather than proportion?
This leads me to the point. I know that there aren’t many who read the rubbish I spout but if you do drop this way I wonder whether you would answer two questions.
The first is simple. Would you want to know? Would you prefer to be the couple of fellows sitting in the shade genially disagreeing about this and that?
The second is a little involved – What aspect of trout behaviour in a fishing context would you like to see examined? You may, for example, and to continue a theme, want to know something about learning. It is fine but a very broad topic. So, if you can, refine the answer to something specific about learning (or whatever topic you choose). You could also think about how the test should be organized but a word of warning here. Scientists spend a lot of time thinking about how experiments are designed. Many aspects might have to be “controlled for” to get at the answer one originally poses. If I were to ask whether a particular animal preferred blueberries or marshmallows (I don’t know why marshmallow it just came into my head) I could simply place one of each in front of the animal and see which one it ate first. But then I wouldn’t know if it preferred blueberries or preferred something blue, or round, or smaller than a marshmallow. And so it goes on. Don’t worry about that if you don’t want to, it is the question that comes first and the rest is driven by that question.
At the beginning of May I will be chatting again with the real fish biologists about experimental ideas and the feasibility of doing something about them. It is a long shot admittedly, research resources are limited and even if an experimental programme were designed it may not see the light of day. Still, it would be nice to have a range of suggestions to test. Otherwise it will be down to my contorted reasoning which is never a good thing at the best of times.
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Please sir, I'd like to know why a whopping hatch of march browns last weekend resulted in about 5 rises on a 1/4 mile of river...
I personally think the trout are learning to time their rising around my work schedule.
Ah, 'tis his nibs himself so it is. How is it on the other side, gainfully (or otherwise) employed I hope.
Now I admire your chutzpah, however, I think there are two reasons why such a question cannot be fully addressed. First the NSF is unlikely to donate $100k for studies involving you, and the various control groups necessary (though admittedly control subjects would not be hard to find) to fish March Brown hatches in order to determine the answer to your question. Much as there may be considerable scientific kudos involved along with the obvious hardship incurred by the researchers in fishing under such conditions the powers that be would likely baulk at the expenses submitted when it comes to the accounting. Forms that read Vindhaloo, Korma, Korma, Bhuna, Rogan Josh, Tikka Masala, 171 Naan, 243 Poppadum etc would not go down well (however well they may have gone down with the researchers). What is more American agencies, in their peculiar wisdom, do not fund the essential lubricant for such occasions and a post-prandial Talisker would certainly be out of the question.
The second reason , and perhaps the one you have already alluded to, is the now well known syndrome called the "Tamanawis Effect" which has been documented for some time. Papers describing the perfect summer day, the anticipation of a stellar BWO hatch and the subsequent failure of same to materialize in the presence of the Tamanawis has been reported a number of times already. Indeed the now famous "Imaginary Grayling Disorder" has been narrowed down to one particular "super-spreader," recent autumnal success seen as the exception that proves the rule rather than full blown recovery.
So while the question merits considerable attention in this writers opinion I am afraid the various funding agencies that might be approached would simply consign any such application to the circular filing cabinet.
aye
I'm finally getting a few moments to catch up on my blog reading/responding. What an incredible (potential) opportunity for the angler. Off the top of my head (mostly because I just read another of your posts?) I'm thinking something along the lines of the following.
When trout are selectively (seem to be taking only one insect) surface feeding (i'm not interested in those nymphy things), which is most important in pattern recognition: color, shape, size, drift, foot imprint on the surface film, or something else? I'll see if a little noggin time helps me formulate the question in a more appropriate way.
I'm going to put up a call for action on my blog and see if we can get others over here to add some additional questions.
Sir,
One piece of info i am wondering about is whether brown trout intoduced to the US over time have started to develop colorations or other traits that are not in the parent strains.I am just curious if evolution moves that fast or not as these fish in a lot of cases are in very different habitats then they evolved for, and the brown trout is probably the most diverse adaptable trout out there. Just my 2 cents.
The only time knowledge despoils is when you find out your youthful heroes whose exploits dominated your Saturday Matinee - whose stern grimace you emulated when grabbing for your cap pistol, who could fight off thousands of screaming Indians, retake Bataan singlehanded, or vaporize hordes of Green Women-Stealing Venusians ... was in real life some form of lush or degenerate.
Other than that, knowledge has always been an asset.
My question(s) are simple. Does one mayfly taste better than another - and at what range can a trout identify them as food?
Friend Eccles, regardless of how much Science can explain, there will always be the Gray Area, wherein Science has not yet tred. Two fellows cooling their heels on the bank will always find some esoteric tidbit to bring them to fisticuffs, it's part of the allure.
Scott,
Yes it is an interesting opportunity and I really hope it comes off. I am thinking along the same lines at the moment, pattern recognition and aspects of learning. If it is possible to do something it'll be rather neat to try and keep track of the experiment(s), design, conduct and results via the blog. We'll see.
Thanks for the boost over your side.
ChrisKoskel80,
Very nice of you to drop in and it is an interesting thought, how far might S. trutta have moved from the original strains that were introduced from Scotland and Germany. It is undoubtedly the case that they will have done, evolution can move that fast if the strength of selection is high, but whether there is a particular "American" strain is hard to answer. There is as likely to be differences between say Madison River browns and those from Spring Creek here in PA as there are between a generic American fish and a generic Scottish fish (there will be diversity between rivers and lochs in Scotland too - river Tweed fish will not be the same as river Tay fish, somehow). A difficult question to answer too without getting at the molecular side of things which I am afraid is outside the potential remit of the study. I did chat about this in a post called Splitters and Lumpers back in October 2008 if you wanted to have a look.
Coloration is rather a neat side line though. Changes in colour is controlled by a neuropeptide called the "melanin-concentrating hormone" and there are a few studies that have looked at how this is expressed in fish placed in tanks with different backgrounds. MCH is also important in stress and starvation responses in mammals and so the hormone itself has received a lot of attention. You have piqued my interest again and I think it worth a little more investigation and another post.
aye
Hi Keith,
Of course you are right. I simply envisage this as another small scratch on the patina of fly fishing and certainly not an eviscerating mortal wound that would in any way dull the allure.
The carp boys have been into taste for ages - High Nutritional Value baits and the like. Carp have different wiring in their mouths though and I am not sure how much a trout tastes its food before it ends in the stomach. I'll have a think about it - off the top of my head tricky to set up.
As to the other I can see this being more tractable and need less experimental range finding. There must be something in the literature about it, I shall have a look.
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